29.6.07

Analyze This

I rarely post hand histories here and I'm not sure why. So I figured... why not? Many of the cash game players that I read usually post some sort of analysis of a hand or two on a regular basis. Well, I am not a cash game player, but I aspire to be one. So I thought I would post a few hands from last night's session (after getting a few points in the Riverchaser). Speaking of the Riverchaser I thought that thing started at 6:30 PST when in fact it started at 6pm... goes to show you how many of these BBT events I've actually played in when I don't even know the start time. I showed up 45 minutes late and 1/3 of stack was already gone. Managed to chip up right away and stick around for a while. Ran my BB QJd into Alceste's Aces when I flopped the donkey TP and IGH.

It would be great if I could get some feedback from a few of you. Pick one or two and let me know what you think.

How not to play AK?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2799408711: Table Greenbrook - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:42:45 ET - 2007/06/28
Seat 1: playittight1 ($96.15)
Seat 2: vhs22 ($21.25)
Seat 3: galo17 ($129)
Seat 4: ryno95 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 5: This Random Guy ($66.35)
Seat 6: esoteric8 ($205.75)
Seat 7: Twain0015 ($144.95)
Seat 8: mavsfan4ever ($96.45)
Seat 9: Schaubs ($105.30)
mavsfan4ever posts the small blind of $0.50
Schaubs posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schaubs [Kh Ac]
ryno95 stands up
playittight1 has 15 seconds left to act
vhs22: wow can anyone say lottery players <----- That's me! No one has stats on me, because I rarely play cash games! playittight1 is sitting out
playittight1 has timed out
playittight1 folds
vhs22 folds
galo17 folds
This Random Guy folds
esoteric8 raises to $3.50
Twain0015 folds
mavsfan4ever folds
Schaubs calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [9h Ad Js]
galo17: i thought about reraising preflop but i was outta position
Schaubs checks
galo17: saved me some money
esoteric8 checks
*** TURN *** [9h Ad Js] [Kd]
galo17: AK i had
Schaubs has 15 seconds left to act
Schaubs bets $7.50
esoteric8 has 15 seconds left to act
esoteric8 folds
Uncalled bet of $7.50 returned to Schaubs
Schaubs mucks
Schaubs wins the pot ($7.15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.50 Rake $0.35
Board: [9h Ad Js Kd]
Seat 1: playittight1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: vhs22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: galo17 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: ryno95 is sitting out
Seat 5: This Random Guy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: esoteric8 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Twain0015 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: mavsfan4ever (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Schaubs (big blind) collected ($7.15), mucked

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A good turn bet?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2799449726: Table Greenbrook - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:46:48 ET - 2007/06/28
Seat 1: playittight1 ($96.15), is sitting out
Seat 2: KennyBueno ($72.40)
Seat 3: galo17 ($138.35)
Seat 4: Misdirectedbet ($15)
Seat 5: This Random Guy ($65.35)
Seat 6: esoteric8 ($202.25)
Seat 7: Twain0015 ($144.95)
Seat 8: mavsfan4ever ($119.90)
Seat 9: Schaubs ($108.95)
Misdirectedbet posts the small blind of $0.50
This Random Guy posts the big blind of $1
KennyBueno posts $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schaubs [5c Ad]
esoteric8 folds
Twain0015 folds
mavsfan4ever folds
Schaubs raises to $5.50
KennyBueno folds
galo17 calls $5.50
Misdirectedbet folds
This Random Guy folds
*** FLOP *** [7h 6d Kc]
Schaubs has 15 seconds left to act
Schaubs bets $13.50
galo17 calls $13.50
*** TURN *** [7h 6d Kc] [3d]
Schaubs has 15 seconds left to act
Schaubs bets $40.50
galo17: good bet
galo17 folds
Uncalled bet of $40.50 returned to Schaubs
Schaubs shows [5c Ad] Ace King high
Schaubs wins the pot ($38.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40.50 Rake $2
Board: [7h 6d Kc 3d]
Seat 1: playittight1 is sitting out
Seat 2: KennyBueno folded before the Flop
Seat 3: galo17 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Misdirectedbet (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: This Random Guy (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: esoteric8 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Twain0015 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: mavsfan4ever didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Schaubs collected ($38.50)
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Then, of course, I started to play more hands and donked off a bunch. Then this hand came up.

Does a river bet take this down?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2799778271: Table Greenbrook - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:20:16 ET - 2007/06/29
Seat 1: Denver Mark ($117)
Seat 2: KennyBueno ($76.95)
Seat 3: galo17 ($104.90)
Seat 4: DRP82 ($105.40)
Seat 5: This Random Guy ($94.70)
Seat 6: Bennydee ($49.30)
Seat 7: bustintime ($79.30)
Seat 8: INDY_29 ($58.25)
Seat 9: Schaubs ($100.90)
galo17 posts the small blind of $0.50
DRP82 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schaubs [Tc Ah]
This Random Guy folds
Bennydee folds
bustintime folds
INDY_29 folds
Schaubs raises to $3.50
Denver Mark folds
KennyBueno calls $3.50
galo17 folds
DRP82 folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 2h 4c]
Schaubs has 15 seconds left to act
Schaubs bets $8.50
KennyBueno calls $8.50
*** TURN *** [2c 2h 4c] [3h]
Schaubs checks
Denver Mark: looks like the last flop
KennyBueno bets $13
Schaubs has 15 seconds left to act
Schaubs calls $13
*** RIVER *** [2c 2h 4c 3h] [9s]
Schaubs checks
KennyBueno checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KennyBueno shows [7d 4d] two pair, Fours and Twos
Schaubs mucks
KennyBueno wins the pot ($48.95) with two pair, Fours and Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.50 Rake $2.55
Board: [2c 2h 4c 3h 9s]
Seat 1: Denver Mark didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: KennyBueno (button) showed [7d 4d] and won ($48.95) with two pair, Fours and Twos
Seat 3: galo17 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: DRP82 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: This Random Guy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Bennydee didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: bustintime didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: INDY_29 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Schaubs mucked [Tc Ah] - a pair of Twos

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Not betting for value?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2799789290: Table Greenbrook - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:21:26 ET - 2007/06/29
Seat 1: Denver Mark ($117)
Seat 2: KennyBueno ($100.90)
Seat 3: galo17 ($104.40)
Seat 4: DRP82 ($104.40)
Seat 5: This Random Guy ($94.70)
Seat 6: Bennydee ($49.30)
Seat 7: bustintime ($79.30)
Seat 8: INDY_29 ($58.25)
Seat 9: Schaubs ($75.90)
DRP82 posts the small blind of $0.50
This Random Guy posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schaubs [8h 8d]
Bennydee folds
bustintime folds
INDY_29 calls $1
Schaubs calls $1
Denver Mark folds
KennyBueno raises to $4
galo17 folds
DRP82 folds
This Random Guy folds
INDY_29 calls $3
Schaubs calls $3
*** FLOP *** [2d Js 8c]
INDY_29 checks
Schaubs checks <-------- Why don't I listen to the masses and bet my set?
KennyBueno bets $8
INDY_29 folds
Schaubs calls $8
*** TURN *** [2d Js 8c] [9h]
Schaubs checks
KennyBueno checks
*** RIVER *** [2d Js 8c 9h] [Jc]
Schaubs has 15 seconds left to act
Schaubs checks
KennyBueno checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KennyBueno shows [Ad Qs] a pair of Jacks
Schaubs shows [8h 8d] a full house, Eights full of Jacks
Schaubs wins the pot ($28.05) with a full house, Eights full of Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $29.50 Rake $1.45
Board: [2d Js 8c 9h Jc]
Seat 1: Denver Mark didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: KennyBueno showed [Ad Qs] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: galo17 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: DRP82 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: This Random Guy (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Bennydee didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: bustintime didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: INDY_29 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Schaubs showed [8h 8d] and won ($28.05) with a full house, Eights full of Jacks

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You just never know who's watching...

Full Tilt Poker Game #2799839822: Table Greenbrook - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:26:51 ET - 2007/06/29
Seat 1: Denver Mark ($119.35)
Seat 2: KennyBueno ($69.40)
Seat 3: GaryonTilt ($80)
Seat 4: DRP82 ($103.90)
Seat 5: This Random Guy ($93.20)
Seat 6: Bennydee ($46.80)
Seat 7: bustintime ($80.15)
Seat 8: INDY_29 ($52.75)
Seat 9: Schaubs ($91.45)
Schaubs posts the small blind of $0.50
Denver Mark posts the big blind of $1
5 seconds left to act
GaryonTilt posts $1
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schaubs [2h 7s] <----- you know what's next...
KennyBueno folds
GaryonTilt checks
DRP82 folds
This Random Guy folds
Bennydee calls $1
bustintime folds
INDY_29 folds
Schaubs raises to $5
Denver Mark folds
GaryonTilt folds
Bennydee has 15 seconds left to act
Bennydee folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to Schaubs
Schaubs shows [2h 7s] Seven Two high
Schaubs wins the pot ($4)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4 Rake $0
Seat 1: Denver Mark (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: KennyBueno didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: GaryonTilt folded before the Flop
Seat 4: DRP82 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: This Random Guy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Bennydee folded before the Flop
Seat 7: bustintime didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: INDY_29 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Schaubs (small blind) collected ($4)

RecessRampage (Observer): hammer!

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Taking down the short stack:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2799927911: Table Greenbrook - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:36:25 ET - 2007/06/29
Seat 1: Denver Mark ($116.25)
Seat 2: KennyBueno ($38.75)
Seat 3: GaryonTilt ($72.70)
Seat 4: DRP82 ($102.40)
Seat 5: This Random Guy ($136.70)
Seat 6: Bennydee ($43.30)
Seat 7: bustintime ($78.65)
Seat 8: INDY_29 ($48.65)
Seat 9: Schaubs ($93.35)
Denver Mark posts the small blind of $0.50
KennyBueno posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schaubs [Kc Ks]
GaryonTilt folds
DRP82 folds
This Random Guy folds
Bennydee folds
bustintime folds
INDY_29 calls $1
Schaubs raises to $3
Denver Mark calls $2.50
KennyBueno calls $2
INDY_29 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Js 6s 5s]
Denver Mark checks
KennyBueno bets $7
INDY_29 folds
Schaubs has 15 seconds left to act
Schaubs raises to $22
Denver Mark folds
KennyBueno raises to $35.75, and is all in
Schaubs calls $13.75
KennyBueno shows [Jh 7c]
Schaubs shows [Kc Ks]
*** TURN *** [Js 6s 5s] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Js 6s 5s Ts] [2d]
KennyBueno shows a pair of Jacks
Schaubs shows a flush, King high
Schaubs wins the pot ($80.50) with a flush, King high
KennyBueno is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $83.50 Rake $3
Board: [Js 6s 5s Ts 2d]
Seat 1: Denver Mark (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: KennyBueno (big blind) showed [Jh 7c] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: GaryonTilt didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: DRP82 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: This Random Guy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Bennydee didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: bustintime didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: INDY_29 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Schaubs (button) showed [Kc Ks] and won ($80.50) with a flush, King high

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Have a good weekend everyone. Thank you in advance for any insight that you may be able to provide.
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5 comments:

Fuel55 said...

Hand 1 - you know I dont might the occasional TPTK check IP. He obviouslyhad nothing to pay you off with. C'est la vie.

Hand 2 - why show A5 there?

Hand 3 - its ok - best not to build big pots on XXY flops - not worth it

Hand 4 - just terrible - BET you moron

Hand 5 - hammer is gold

Hand 6 - TPIG

6:04 PM
Alan aka RecessRampage said...

Hand 1 - I would go ahead and bet out on the flop but it doesn't look like you would have made any more money there so I don't think there's any problem.

Hand 2 - I actually don't like how you played the hand. You overplayed a nothing hand and was lucky to be able to get the guy to fold. Even more so, I don't like showing my bluffs. I'd rather show them a hand that was a winner so that I could bluff them off in the future instead of trying to get them to call me because more often than not, weak tight players won't make calls even if they've seen you bluff unless you're doing it a ridiculous amount. And if they have a hand, they'll call you regardless cuz that's what donks do.

Hand 3 - River bet would've just made you lose more money because you showed weakness on the turn. Now at that point, the donk had to figure he was ahead and on the river, the 9 couldn't have possibly saved you. This is, however, a situation where you could make the exact same play if you had a 2 in your hand or made a straight on the turn or had 99 and boat the river where you can overbet on the river and I think you will still get the call.

Hand 4 - It would have been interesting if you bet out on the turn after you check called the flop. The donk might fold anyways but he might now call drawing to a gut shot straight or even better might raise you to see if you're just acting like you made a straight. Either way, river bet wouldn't have done anything, IMO.

Hand 5 - Who is that stud that was watching???

Hand 6 - SHIP IT!

7:59 PM
Alan aka RecessRampage said...

LOL at Fuel's comment... BET you moron... lol
Nice.

8:06 PM
lj said...

lol at both fuel and alan's comments. who was that modest stud watching?

i am always hesitant to bet out my sets, but then i end up in a situation where i check raise turn and they fold, whereas i think i'd make more money getting people to call my bets all the way down. for many people (myself included, on occasion) top pair is gold, and as i've painfully learned recently, it isn't always.

9:42 PM
jamyhawk said...

I wonder what the percentages are that TP holds up? I guess it depends on the top card.
I play at the .10/.25 level and it seems that TP is a dog, but probably because there are more players drawing out at the lower limits.

I do agree with recessrampage that showing a bluff online will come back to bite you more than help. I will occasionally show a winner that everyone folded to, to help my bluffs later.

Good post.

2:40 PM

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